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04 January 2010 @ 08:29 am
Moving right along...  
Ok, now that the unpleasantness of last week is over, let's move on.

I've been looking around other e-fedding communities lately. A lot of this has to do with sheer curiosity. I'm a well known isolationist in my circle of feds. I only really go to feds I'm not already in if I'm recommended to do so. Generally, the joining of said feds happens when I'm super bored and itching for something to do.

But in looking around Torch and EWZine and more recently The Experts and EfedKnights, I do have a few legitimate "culture" questions.

1. Why do any of you use pic bases? Why is it cool or in any way original to create a character and then use Christian or Rob Van Dam or Austin Aries as the graphical representation of this character. Doesn't that kind've fly in the face of the originality you're trying to go for? If you're writing for a guy and I see Christian's smirking mug as your signature or avatar, aren't I just gonna think of Christian? I'm just saying - this seems unbelievably unoriginal to me, and it's never been a staple of any of the feds I've been involved in. Legitimate question. I'm curious as to the rationale there.

2. Signatures. Is there any reason why, on some of these sites/communities, the items in the signature fields are ten times larger than the actual post content? Whether it's several very large banners for the aforementioned pic bases and logos created for their characters, or a huge hype graphic of some kind, it's a little out of control. I found some of these forums downright difficult to read because of this. Legitimate question. Again, I'd really like to know why this isn't discouraged. As an admin this would drive me up the friggin' wall.

3. Why do you still allow handlers to writer for "real" wrestlers? By this I mean, why do people still get to write for "Chris Jericho" or "Bret Hart". Going back to point #1, isn't this unbelievably unoriginal and pointless? Where's the talent in writing for a character that's already very established in style, moveset, speaking and history? What's the point in that? Don't we want to create characters from the ground up? In my case at least, the fun is in creating an entire person and not just a name to go trash talk with. I can tell you everything about my character's life, how he would react in literally any situation, where he went to school (not that you'd care) and a million other minute details that would define his psyche. He's a human being who is a professional wrestler. He's not a cardboard two dimensional avatar of a human being. Legitimate question. Why do people still do this, and why would anyone want to read it?

4. How old are most of you in these other communities? Average age, I'm talking. I see a lot of "we've been in business for over ten years", that sort of thing. Are we saying then that you're in your mid-30s and have been doing this since you were 22? Or are you 25 and you've been doing it since you're 14? I'm gonna sound egotistical here, and I'm really not trying to - but a lot of what I'm reading, at least so far seems remarkably similar in style and form to what we were doing in our community about ten years ago. We changed a lot, and maybe it's just that we evolved our version of the game off in a different direction than these other places did - but some of it seems really elementary. And yet, these are the feds and names I see all over the rankings and awards on some of these sites that say they cover many different corners of the e-fed world. I really really have to wonder if either A) There are some SEVERE homer tendencies going on or B) some of these people have Special Ed Syndrome, which is basically how I refer to people who themselves are so mediocre that mediocrity in others impresses them. They're confused by a character or by writing that is truly dynamic and complex in anyway, and that comes out in their opinions.

Look, I'm not a writing genius. I do know good writing though. I'm not a professional writer, although it is something I've excelled at academically. I have a pretty good grasp on what good writing is and what it isn't - enough to know that there are a lot of good to great writers in this hobby. I've been able to hang with a lot of them, but some are way above me also. These however, are questions I have. Legitimate questions, not trying to sound like a dick (if that's how I sound) - because I'm really curious about this stuff.

Why did this come about?

I was sifting around some of these other communities, thinking... maybe I should join one of these leagues. I like to experience something before I know it. If it confounds me how these other feds are considered great, I owe them a personal show in the very least before forming a judgment.

So - I'd really like to know. Why are these things accepted?

Just curious.
Current Mood: contemplativecontemplative
(Anonymous) on January 4th, 2010 03:11 pm (UTC)
Special Ed Syndrome:

"Did I ever tell you how much I love when you write almost nothing totally inconsistently and sporadically about topics no one cares about with a third grade vocabulary?"
(Anonymous) on January 4th, 2010 03:48 pm (UTC)
It's a blog ... not a legal brief.

(Anonymous) on May 7th, 2010 05:57 am (UTC)
This was a while back, but that quoted part was more like a definition/description of Special Ed Syndrome, not a comment about the blog post. Sorry to be vague, but yeah if I hadn't been a dumbass and forgot to sign it then people would've realized the context (hopefully) and it wouldn't have looked like flaming.

oralautonomy on January 4th, 2010 03:51 pm (UTC)
Post your name if you intend to leave a comment, by the way - if that's not obvious.
(Anonymous) on January 4th, 2010 04:15 pm (UTC)
Eh, I always hated the idea of using a real wrestler as a picture base. It's a sad thing because it's just flat out laziness the "RPers" have. They would rather waste time doing layouts then using their brains to create a story.

Half of these people probably are my age 22 started in e-Feds on MSN which were terrible and never learned any different. Just hate that "style" and NONE OF THEM can actually roleplay about wrestling they are all backstory writtings with 2k word count describing the color of a room.

They are real marks. They live WWE/TNA and mark out to wrestlers and want to be them. I think it's an extreme case of fanboy (/girl) love.

-John Rivera
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oralautonomy on January 4th, 2010 04:35 pm (UTC)
Let me re-iterate that this is not a bashing post. I really would like to hear the rationale behind some of this stuff. To each his own, truly - I'm just very curious about this. I'd prefer not to be elitist about something I don't really understand, so inquiring and trying to understand is the best course I think.
(Anonymous) on January 4th, 2010 06:01 pm (UTC)

The pic based system really baffles me. I've been scouting recently and found numerous Chris Sabins and even Shane Helms(s). If you have the whole entire internet at your disposal, why would you choose those two to base your picture of your guy off?

I personally don't like the system of using pictures because then the people writing you start associating you with a certain wrestler and it basically becomes basically someone taking an established character and giving him a new persona in the owners mind, but if you are going to choose a wrestler to look like, there has to be better people.

(Anonymous) on January 4th, 2010 06:15 pm (UTC)

The above post about Sabin/Helms was me, I just forgot to leave my name.

On the subject of real wrestler leagues, I think for beginning RPers it is a really good jumping on point into fantasy wrestling and a lot of the older *P RPers got their start that way. It helped a lot of people when all they had to figure out is what their character had to say and they didn't actually have to come up with a character of their own. It is sort of like going to wrestling school and wanting to become a star in the WWE, their needs to be some middle ground where you learn the basics. Eventually, you do need to make the transition from real to your own character though at some point.

I have seen some great RPers in real wrestlers leagues though and there definitely very good and bad RPers in real wrestler leagues. I had this one friend who RPed the Nature Boy Mike Burghart and all he basically did was RP the Nature Boy Ric Flair but with a change in name. He was awesome beyond all description, he took the character and he owned it, and it still remains one of the highlights of my RPing career going up against him with Chris Wink in the MFL.

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(Anonymous) on January 4th, 2010 08:14 pm (UTC)
If I see a single picbase being used, I turn away and never look back. It's the ultimate breach of originality, and usually the RP isn't any better.

On Paul's point, I agree: FW is nothing like "real" pro-wrestling. We have a style all our own, and any attempt to be too much like the real thing is just going to fail. Don't get me wrong, the card-writing on FWC really does simulate a wrestling show, but it's the subtleties that set us apart- the commentary, the angles, the segments. We do a lot of stuff that just wouldn't work in wrestling, or wouldn't happen to begin with. And you know, that's a good thing; it makes this fun for everybody involved. As much as FW resembles pro wrestling in one "era" or another...our hobby is really just it's own animal.

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(Anonymous) on January 4th, 2010 10:05 pm (UTC)
I agree on both ends. A lot of what makes FW unique is we see slighly (in my perspective) what doesn't work in pro wrestling and fix it, the take what won't work and make it work. As far as over done fantasy RPing I see it as not attempting to do anything wrestling based. I once read an RP by a girl Playing John Cena who was out purchasing a car.

Not once did she mention a wrestling match.

When I think of an RP or maybe this is because I have read too many Beast v Sands threads I think of old school AWA back drop interviewer shoot promos. That's just me.

(Anonymous) on January 28th, 2010 01:48 pm (UTC)
Got the link to here from Tom Holzerman's blog. Not to name drop, but I come from GCW (from PTC). Only reason I point that out is we've got a different focus than alot of other places.

1) I agree. When I first started that was all anybody had. Then Poser came along. In PTC it is huge, so much so that GCW has one guy who uses a pic base of a person (non-wrestler) which I find to be quite unoriginal. Unsurprisingly, he generally no-shows.

2) Most of us don't use picture banners, we post AIM conversations that embarass somebody or take something they've said out of context. I know of a handful of people who use banners. 1 is the same guy mentioned above.

3) I agree completely, and I won't even consider writing for a place that does this.

4) I'm 26, I started in 9th grade on a geocities site. Most of the people I know are around the same age, but I'd guess the average age of PTC as a whole is around 24-25.

Anyhow, the basic reason I mentioned PTC is this: Almost nobody uses a style of RPing that most of the places on the communities you've mentioned use. I know because I thought about going to some of them for a bit a work on the side in a simpler setting. Our systems works pretty much likes this: Roleplays for storytelling and background, etc., segs for angles and feuds.

We used to have problems about the vampires and whatnot. Not that peoples gimmick were vampires, but their characters WERE vampires. Not so much these days. Myself, my roleplays are always focused on why my character wrestles, whatever struggles he's dealing with in relation to his career and how he balances his personal life with wrestling, etc.

Hmm... I had more but it's gone from my mind now.
(Anonymous) on January 28th, 2010 02:04 pm (UTC)
Upon reading further down in your blogs, I realize that you know who we are over in PTC so alot of what I wrote above you've already seen and have an idea and opinion of.